I appreciate your measured arguments here, and they echo my own thoughts over the years. I’ve always struggled to see the upside to celebrating any sort of heritage. I can’t really find fault with any of your assertions, but it’s such a classic “white guy on the Internet” take that it reflexively feels bigoted to a lot of people, I think. It doesn’t make any sense to me when people take pride in their ancestry, but folk can be happy about whatever, I guess, as long as they’re not denigrating others.
I’ve always struggled to see the upside to celebrating any sort of heritage
And I’ve always struggled to see the upside to celebrating the community team or whatever, but that doesn’t make my opinion more rational, valuable, or human than anyone else’s.
folk can be happy about whatever, I guess, as long as they’re not denigrating others.
“Whatever” “I guess”… These words aren’t in here by accident, but this overall sentiment is the one actually worth pursuing IMO without all of the passive aggression.
You and the Aussie don’t seem to understand that you’re advancing Musk’s (and other racists’) “arguments” by equating overwhelmingly positive movements with reactionary, retrograde movements that use co-opted words and rhetorical tricks to pretend they’re the same thing.
And I’ve always struggled to see the upside to celebrating the community team or whatever, but that doesn’t make my opinion more rational, valuable, or human than anyone else’s.
No kidding? Where did I imply any of these things about my own opinion?
You and the Aussie don’t seem to understand that you’re advancing Musk’s (and other racists’) “arguments” by equating overwhelmingly positive movements with reactionary, retrograde movements that use co-opted words and rhetorical tricks to pretend they’re the same thing.
Can’t say that I’ve read all of their comments, but I haven’t seen them doing that at all, and I’d love for you to point to exactly where you think I equated those things.
Can a gay person who has never experienced homophobia rightfully celebrate Pride Month?
Can a black person who was adopted by white parents and has no black cultural influence be proud of being black?
Edit: ya ever wonder why you’re talking about legitimate events for black people and gay people in a thread commenting about Elon Musk’s endorsement of “white pride”? It’s because you got "all lives matter"ed and lost the fucking plot.
Those are not my words, nor do I see how either of these quotes is equating white pride to minorities celebrating their own heritage. You appear to be executing a knee-jerk defense against JAQ-offs and cryptofascists, which I completely understand. It is, however, possible to try to have a conversation about these issues while being neither of these things.
I appreciate your measured arguments here, and they echo my own thoughts over the years. I’ve always struggled to see the upside to celebrating any sort of heritage. I can’t really find fault with any of your assertions, but it’s such a classic “white guy on the Internet” take that it reflexively feels bigoted to a lot of people, I think. It doesn’t make any sense to me when people take pride in their ancestry, but folk can be happy about whatever, I guess, as long as they’re not denigrating others.
And I’ve always struggled to see the upside to celebrating the community team or whatever, but that doesn’t make my opinion more rational, valuable, or human than anyone else’s.
“Whatever” “I guess”… These words aren’t in here by accident, but this overall sentiment is the one actually worth pursuing IMO without all of the passive aggression.
You and the Aussie don’t seem to understand that you’re advancing Musk’s (and other racists’) “arguments” by equating overwhelmingly positive movements with reactionary, retrograde movements that use co-opted words and rhetorical tricks to pretend they’re the same thing.
No kidding? Where did I imply any of these things about my own opinion?
Can’t say that I’ve read all of their comments, but I haven’t seen them doing that at all, and I’d love for you to point to exactly where you think I equated those things.
Edit: ya ever wonder why you’re talking about legitimate events for black people and gay people in a thread commenting about Elon Musk’s endorsement of “white pride”? It’s because you got "all lives matter"ed and lost the fucking plot.
Those are not my words, nor do I see how either of these quotes is equating white pride to minorities celebrating their own heritage. You appear to be executing a knee-jerk defense against JAQ-offs and cryptofascists, which I completely understand. It is, however, possible to try to have a conversation about these issues while being neither of these things.
Those are my quotes.
I stopped conversing with them after they misquoted me after replacing “rightfully” with “morally”.
Don’t waste your time trying to change their mind, they’ve already decided you’re the one who’s wrong.
The worst part is we’re evidently all on the same team, yet we’re made out to be Elon supporters.